Wanted: FLoat Plane V Brace for a 175.
Let me know if you have one or know where to get one. Ive tried the part # and it comes up as not available.
Craig
Full Version: Wanted:Float Plane V Brace
I would also be interesed in a damaged one, if I cant find a servicable one.
Craig
Craig
Anyway a friend of mine just got a V brace for a 172 of the same vintage, so there out there. I think I might have found one for you... condition unknown at this time as I am waiting to hear back from one of my connections. I will let you know.
Craig bought the plans from Cessna and had one made by Atlee Dodge, I believe.
QUOTE (Erik Hoopes @ Jan 27 2009, 08:00 PM) 
Craig bought the plans from Cessna and had one made by Atlee Dodge, I believe.
Oh alright, good to know. Thanks
QUOTE (Ian van Wyk @ Jan 27 2009, 02:13 PM)
Oh alright, good to know. Thanks
Atlee Dodge has the V brace in stock in Anchorage Alaska.
I did end up getting an altee dodge V brace. Talk with your mechanic before buying as they are not Certified. I ended up installing mine after going through a couple girations with my AI.
Craig
Craig
QUOTE (Craig Keppers @ Feb 1 2009, 07:38 PM)
I did end up getting an altee dodge V brace. Talk with your mechanic before buying as they are not Certified. I ended up installing mine after going through a couple girations with my AI.
Craig
Craig
I am my mechanic, so I will have to see what the regs say if I cannot find a servicable unit, different rules in Canada.
Remember that the V-brace is not required per IPC on the 175. Only the 175A and B. We will likely work on an STC later in the Club to up the Gross weight on floats for the 175 to the same as the 175A when the V-brace is added.
Please remember that Illustrated Parts Catalogs (IPC's) are only acceptable data and not necessarily approved data by the FAA. It doesn't sound like any difference between the two, but if you try using parts book data to certify things, you'll find out that most FAA offices will not accept that data as gospel. The FAA does not approve each and every page of the parts catalogs and therefore they require Certified Cessna Drawings to give their blessing. I believe that the Cessna V-brace Installation drawing 0513003 starts with the 175A model. The drawing you need for the structural reinforcing parts is 0500044 and for the lifting eyes is 0541115. Drawings are available from Cessna although they are getting more expensive every day.
Joe Birkemeyer
Baumann Floats LLC
Joe Birkemeyer
Baumann Floats LLC
QUOTE (Erik Hoopes @ Feb 2 2009, 03:38 AM)
Remember that the V-brace is not required per IPC on the 175. Only the 175A and B. We will likely work on an STC later in the Club to up the Gross weight on floats for the 175 to the same as the 175A when the V-brace is added.
I have to partially agree with Joe.
The hoisting provisions (AK 175-12) is eligible for all serial numbers of 175. The AK has approved installation instructions and can be installed as an alteration.
The floatplane structure installation parts, IPC figure 87, index 1 thru 20, are elibile for installation on serial numbers 55001 thru 56777. The 0513003-5 windshield brace assembly shown in the IPC figure 87 index 21 is only eligible for installation on serial numbers 56239 thru 56777, useable on code B.
Generally, if an item is listed as an optional item for a particular serial number in the parts catalog, and the service manual has instructions for the installation, then it can be installed as either a minor or sometines major alteration. If the installation instructions are not in the service manual then you will need FAA accepted or approved data or a field approval for the installation. If you have to get a field approval for the installation you will need to develop ICA's (Instructions for Continued Airworthiness) to document procedures for inspection and repair of the installation. Check out Advisory Circular 43-210, Standard Procedures for Requesting a Field Approval.
Just because you have the factory drawings it does not mean that is approved for installation outside of production (which applies to all of our aircraft). Remember that the Cessna factory drawings are for production of the aircraft to be built under a production certificate unless the drawing is for a mod kit (MK) or accessory kit (AK).
Most Cessna drawings will also have a serial number effectivity, just because Cessna is willing to sell you a drawing does not mean it will cover your aircraft, especially if the installation was never approved for installation on your serial number.
The hoisting provisions (AK 175-12) is eligible for all serial numbers of 175. The AK has approved installation instructions and can be installed as an alteration.
The floatplane structure installation parts, IPC figure 87, index 1 thru 20, are elibile for installation on serial numbers 55001 thru 56777. The 0513003-5 windshield brace assembly shown in the IPC figure 87 index 21 is only eligible for installation on serial numbers 56239 thru 56777, useable on code B.
Generally, if an item is listed as an optional item for a particular serial number in the parts catalog, and the service manual has instructions for the installation, then it can be installed as either a minor or sometines major alteration. If the installation instructions are not in the service manual then you will need FAA accepted or approved data or a field approval for the installation. If you have to get a field approval for the installation you will need to develop ICA's (Instructions for Continued Airworthiness) to document procedures for inspection and repair of the installation. Check out Advisory Circular 43-210, Standard Procedures for Requesting a Field Approval.
Just because you have the factory drawings it does not mean that is approved for installation outside of production (which applies to all of our aircraft). Remember that the Cessna factory drawings are for production of the aircraft to be built under a production certificate unless the drawing is for a mod kit (MK) or accessory kit (AK).
Most Cessna drawings will also have a serial number effectivity, just because Cessna is willing to sell you a drawing does not mean it will cover your aircraft, especially if the installation was never approved for installation on your serial number.
So, lets say that a part is listed as an optional item for your serial number. But lets say the part was not installed on your aircraft when new.
Scenario (A)
Cessna still makes the part and can sell it to you.
Scenario (B)
Cessna will not make the part but will sell you the drawing to make yourself.
Scenario C)
Cessna will do neither of the above but your buddy has one and you want to use it as a jig to build your own part.
Which of the above is:
1) Able to be installed with only a logbook entry
2) Requires a Major Alteration/Repair 337 Form
3) Requires an FAA Field approval in conjunction with form 337.
4) Is not an approved part for installation on your aircraft under any circumstances.
Now. lets pretend that the item was not a factory option for you airplane.
In scenarios A, B, C above, which 1, 2, 3, 4 items are eligible materials for use in a field approval or STC application (approved parts, in other words, even without a PMA/TSO?)
Scenario (A)
Cessna still makes the part and can sell it to you.
Scenario (B)
Cessna will not make the part but will sell you the drawing to make yourself.
Scenario C)
Cessna will do neither of the above but your buddy has one and you want to use it as a jig to build your own part.
Which of the above is:
1) Able to be installed with only a logbook entry
2) Requires a Major Alteration/Repair 337 Form
3) Requires an FAA Field approval in conjunction with form 337.
4) Is not an approved part for installation on your aircraft under any circumstances.
Now. lets pretend that the item was not a factory option for you airplane.
In scenarios A, B, C above, which 1, 2, 3, 4 items are eligible materials for use in a field approval or STC application (approved parts, in other words, even without a PMA/TSO?)
QUOTE (Erik Hoopes @ Feb 3 2009, 12:46 AM)
So, lets say that a part is listed as an optional item for your serial number. But lets say the part was not installed on your aircraft when new.
Scenario (A)
Cessna still makes the part and can sell it to you.
Scenario (
Cessna will not make the part but will sell you the drawing to make yourself.
Scenario C)
Cessna will do neither of the above but your buddy has one and you want to use it as a jig to build your own part.
Which of the above is:
1) Able to be installed with only a logbook entry - A, B, or C are possible depending on the complexity of the part - structural, cosmetic, required, option
2) Requires a Major Alteration/Repair 337 Form - A, B, or C are possible depending on the complexity of the part - structural, cosmetic, required, option - major or minor repair or alteration
3) Requires an FAA Field approval in conjunction with form 337. If the part was not listed as an option, or if there are no instructions for installation after production, then more than likely yes.
4) Is not an approved part for installation on your aircraft under any circumstances. - Could be the case in all.
Now. lets pretend that the item was not a factory option for you airplane.
In scenarios A, B, C above, which 1, 2, 3, 4 items are eligible materials for use in a field approval or STC application (approved parts, in other words, even without a PMA/TSO?) - If the item was not listed as an option for installation on your particular serial number, then some type of approval would be required for installation, field approval, DER approval, etc. If the part has no approvals, FAA, PMA, TSO, etc, or documentation of approved installations on like products, then you will need to apply for either a field approval or STC for installation.
Scenario (A)
Cessna still makes the part and can sell it to you.
Scenario (
Cessna will not make the part but will sell you the drawing to make yourself.
Scenario C)
Cessna will do neither of the above but your buddy has one and you want to use it as a jig to build your own part.
Which of the above is:
1) Able to be installed with only a logbook entry - A, B, or C are possible depending on the complexity of the part - structural, cosmetic, required, option
2) Requires a Major Alteration/Repair 337 Form - A, B, or C are possible depending on the complexity of the part - structural, cosmetic, required, option - major or minor repair or alteration
3) Requires an FAA Field approval in conjunction with form 337. If the part was not listed as an option, or if there are no instructions for installation after production, then more than likely yes.
4) Is not an approved part for installation on your aircraft under any circumstances. - Could be the case in all.
Now. lets pretend that the item was not a factory option for you airplane.
In scenarios A, B, C above, which 1, 2, 3, 4 items are eligible materials for use in a field approval or STC application (approved parts, in other words, even without a PMA/TSO?) - If the item was not listed as an option for installation on your particular serial number, then some type of approval would be required for installation, field approval, DER approval, etc. If the part has no approvals, FAA, PMA, TSO, etc, or documentation of approved installations on like products, then you will need to apply for either a field approval or STC for installation.
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