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Tad Hall
Are any of you with the G0-300 using Titan cylinders? Any problems or aware of problems?

Their problems with their cylinders cracking/seperating in some Lycoming engines generated an AD 2 years ago that was just expanded the first of this year.
No wonder they're on sale everywhere. The new Titan in steel can be had for under $900 now, and thats all new cylinder/piston, which normally would be an unbelievable value compared to reconditioning an old cylinder. However, if there's an higher than normal (minimal) chance of jug failure, I will stay away from them.

Does anyone know if there is a design or manufacturing difference that would mean the Cont. jugs would not be likely to share the Lycoming problem?
Jim Fallis
QUOTE (Tad Hall @ Jan 28 2010, 06:11 AM) *
Are any of you with the G0-300 using Titan cylinders? Any problems or aware of problems?

Their problems with their cylinders cracking/seperating in some Lycoming engines generated an AD 2 years ago that was just expanded the first of this year.
No wonder they're on sale everywhere. The new Titan in steel can be had for under $900 now, and thats all new cylinder/piston, which normally would be an unbelievable value compared to reconditioning an old cylinder. However, if there's an higher than normal (minimal) chance of jug failure, I will stay away from them.

Does anyone know if there is a design or manufacturing difference that would mean the Cont. jugs would not be likely to share the Lycoming problem?


Tad,
I had ECIs put in my plane at the overhaul and so far so good, but it is only a little over 100 hours. They did have problems with the plasma coating on the rings in the 0470s, but the smaller series was ok so far. My cylinders are the nickel ones and they have very little oil consumption so far. The only thing that I don't like about them is that they have the cross hatching pattern on the pistons, and I think that Continental has gotten away from that. Some people suspect that the cross hatching can lead to a cracked piston (ask me how I know). I would talk with Gene and see what he thinks, but whichever one you do the Real Gasket pushrod tubes are well worth the money.

Hope this helps

Bobby Young
I never liked chrome cylinders, because it is too hard to keep the oil in place between the cylinder bore and the piston rings. It is the same with the ECI nickel, etc. ----. The Millenium cylinders, I thought were really good, but I guess they went broke, but if they are not available, I would go with the ECI, before I would go new TCMs, primarily because they were too expensive the last I looked. If you can find steel barrel cylinders that is the best bet.
Tad Hall
QUOTE (Bobby Young @ Jan 28 2010, 07:44 PM) *
I never liked chrome cylinders, because it is too hard to keep the oil in place between the cylinder bore and the piston rings. It is the same with the ECI nickel, etc. ----. The Millenium cylinders, I thought were really good, but I guess they went broke, but if they are not available, I would go with the ECI, before I would go new TCMs, primarily because they were too expensive the last I looked. If you can find steel barrel cylinders that is the best bet.



Bobby, yes the Titans are available in plain steel or with the Ni-Carbide surface which is supposed to be really good in seldom flown engines.
I have flown plain steel for 20 years, limited hours, and long weeks without use, and the bores are still pretty good.
I think Chrome is definately a thing of the past.

Here's the cylinder for $828 ! Seems like quite a bargain compared to $400 best case to refurbish a used cylinder of unkown history/time.

http://www.aeroinstock.com/products/ECi%25..._cat/index.html

Jim, Glad to hear your having a good experience so far. If your piston has made it through the inital period where you see catastophic failure from metallurgy or casting flaws, you are probably good for several thousand hours before significant risk of fatigue failure- and being an aluminum part, it will eventually fail of fatigue.

I will probably go with Titans, but will contact Gene Svoboda of Magnum to make sure he doesn't have some inside insight.

Tailwinds to you, guys
Tad
Tad Hall
I did talk to Gene of Magnum engines. He still says the ECi Titan with Nickel+Carbide is the way to go, unless you want to do port matching, then he feels like the TCM factory jugs are a better platform for him to tweek for performance through flow matching the intakes.
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